Trump can't build a prison for 30,000 in Guantanamo bay - Congress would never vote to build a pointless $3 billion+ facility - largest in the world - just deflecting from his failed Federal freeze
This is NOT going to happen. He is not serious, just trying to grab the media with an outrageous claim to distract from his failed funding freeze. The Guantanamo bay prison can only accommodate a few hundred.
A prison for 30,000 would cost around $3.75 billion. No way Trump can find that funding when 3 Republicans together with all the Democrats in the House can stop any bill. Many Republicans are very cost conscious and will never vote for an expensive vanity project for Trump that serves no useful purpose.
It would be three times the size of Cook County Jail, the largest single site prison in the USA.
It would also beat the current Guinness world record record for the largest prison in the world (22,000 for a prison in Turkey).
It doesn’t make sense as a proposal. He often says / does things like this to get his failures out of the news - in this case the news about the astonishing about-face of his attempt to freeze all federal funding. For details see my:
There is no way House Republicans who are super cautious about costs would vote for funding of $3.75 billion for an unnecessary new prison to satisfy Trump's vanity.
He has a majority of only 220 : 215. This means 3 votes against, or 2 against and one abstain are enough to sink any bill. It will shrink to 2017 : 215 for the first few months until he gets it back up to capacity with new elections. This means one vote against will sink any bill (there is n o tie break)
Indeed Trump is not going to be able to get much through by way of funding without help from Democrats. He will also need Democrat help to raise the debt limit later this spring as he can count on at least 47 Republicans in the house to vote against any debt limit rise based on the ones that have always voted against raising the debt limit for any bill passed in Congress. 25 of them will just vote against any debt limit rise on principle not just for final bills but always.
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Trump’s big obstacle with his expensive promises such as deportation and border security
47 Republicans have always voted against debt limit rises
So he needs bipartisan support from Democrats for expensive projects
See: SECTION: Trump’s plan to bully Republicans into passing his big bill can’t work
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1. It would enter the Guinness world records as the largest prison in the world, the current record is 22,000.
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The largest prison in the world is the Silivri Penitentiaries Campus (Silivri Ceza İnfaz Kurumları Kampüsü, better known simply as Silivri Prison), located in the north-western suburbs of Istanbul, Turkey. The prison complex was designed to house around 11,000 inmates when it was opened in 2008, but a Turkish parliamentary investigation in November 2019 found that the population had risen to 22,781.
Another facility that is often mentioned in discussions of record-breaking prison populations is LA County Jail, which had an average daily population of almost 20,000 before the COVID-19 pandemic. The LA Country Jail figures are for the entire prison system administered by the LA County Sheriff's Department, which comprises seven facilities spread across the city and its outskirts.
https://www.guinnessworldrecords.com/world-records/65545-largest-prison-capacity
The largest single site prison in the USA is Cook County Jail at 10,000
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Cook County Jail
Cook County Jail is a sprawling prison in Chicago, Illinois. It is the largest single-site jail in America and houses 10,000 inmates. Cook County Jail continually struggles with overcrowding and there are often more inmates than there should be in the facility. It also has a history of executions, the most common method being electrocution. Most of these executions took place between 1928 and 1962 with around 67 inmates electrocuted during this period.
https://www.crimeandinvestigation.co.uk/shows/exposing-parchman/the-biggest-prisons-in-the-united-states
We can also estimate the cost based on an estimate for a new prison in Washington DC.
QUOTE Examples from other states suggest that the cost of building a new prison for 4,000 to 6,000 inmates could range between $400 million and $750 million.
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QUOTE Project information suggests that construction costs are approximately $125,000 per bed.
https://www.dcpolicycenter.org/publications/cost-new-dc-prison/
At that rate a 30,000 bed prison would cost 30,000*125,000 = $3.75 billion for a rough first estimate.
BBC say
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When asked by reporters at the White House, Homeland Security Secretary Kristi Noem said only that the money would be allotted through "reconciliation and appropriations".
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The military prison on Guantanamo has, for decades, held detainees taken into US custody after the 9/11 attacks on the US in 2001.
At its peak it held hundreds of prisoners, and several Democratic presidents including Barack Obama have vowed to close it. There are 15 prisoners currently being held there.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5yelgxk3rlo
Reconciliation there means a big bill in Congress which the House has to pass which is finance focused and can't be filibustered in the Senate.
However there are several dozen Republicans who vote against any attempt to raise the debt limit. Many Republicans are opposed to anything that will add to costs.
Even when back to strength the majority will be only 220 : 215 which means that 3 voting against is enough to turn it to 217: 218. Or 2 against and one abstains 217 : 217.
There's no way the Republicans by themselves could pass a bill to build a 30,000 bed prison at costs of billions of dollars.
Also notice this is immediately after his spending freeze failed. Trump says dramatic impossible things to deflect from his failures.
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Are we sure the goal is to build a prison?
The large concentration camps from WW2 had tens of thousands of prisoners each. One example is Sachsenhausen outside Berlin.
"As of mid-January 1945, there were more than 65,000 prisoners including more than 13,000 women."
I don't think the goal is to build a prison.
I think it's to achieve a "final solution to the illegal immigrant question" through a swift program of "resettlement."
The prison will be privately-contracted, to avoid Constitutional issues.
The money will come from classified budgets, that Congress can't review.
The guards will be all those "very fine people" that the Bloated Yam just pardoned, who all need jobs.
The "resettlement" will be accomplished through whatever today's biochemists have created to do a better job than Zyklon B, along with the usual crematoria.
The hardest thing I can see is explaining why the prisoners were not flown back to their original countries.